GOSPod: A Satanic podcast from Global Order of Satan UK. We’ll be talking about about modern progressive Satanism, and themes and topics regarding the place of Satanism in society, as well as generally any aspects of life from a satanic perspective, featuring interviews with members from both the UK and other Orders.

We meet Jack Violently (hehehe) from GOS’ latest US Order, Free Society Satanists!

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Lithos
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Leraje
Hail Satan.

Lithos
We have Eddie.

Eddie
Hail Satan.

Lithos
We have Ligeia.

Ligeia
Hail Satan.

Lithos
I’m Lithos, in case you hadn’t guessed. And we have a special guest this time from, uh, uh, FSS, Free Society Satanists over in the US who have recently come under the, shall say umbrella of GOS, um, who has his own podcast, which we will be linking in the show notes. This is Jack Violently, a.k.a. Cardinal Peccartum.

Jack
Hail Satan and hail the Global Order of Satan.

Lithos
Absolutely. And hail FSS as well. So basically what we’re going to do here is the idea is to introduce, um, our UK listeners and listeners elsewhere who are familiar with GOS and our podcast to what, um, one of our American chapters does. And basically this is the Free Society of Satanists. And Jack will now explain a bit more about.

Well, first of all, your Satanym, Cardinal Peccatum. It’s a good one.

Jack
So I actually thought you were going to ask me about Jack Violently as well.

Lithos
Uh, yes, yes, please, that one too.

Jack
So I was trying to think about like, you know, uh, the best Satanym. And everybody always uses these very Gothic, very mythical names. And I was trying to think like, what is more Satanic than like, self pleasure. So Jack Violently is really just a masturbation reference. Um, but Cardinal Peccatum, uh, I got that one.

Or I gave that one to myself because when we started FSS, we kind of wanted to like, as The English would say take the piss out of like, uh, Catholic, uh, religion. And they give themselves like very grandiose titles. Um, so I’m the co-founder of the FSS. Cardinal, uh, Peccatum. Peccatum is the Latin word for sin.

So literally my title is Cardinal Sin. Um, and then Sai has “Mother Miriam”, which is a play on, I think a family name of hers. But yeah, we kind of gave ourselves like, you know, Catholic titles to um, just take the piss out of um, organised religion.

Lithos
Excellent. Yes. I mean they’re both good. And I had figured out that “Jack Violently” was. That unless it was some oblique sort of back reference to the. I think it was an 80s movie called Johnny Dangerously.

Leraje
That’s what I thought it was.

Jack
So I, uh, I used to be in a punk band and every Valentine’s Day we would do a special Valentine show and we would each have very phallic names for. For our stage people. It was very stupid and I adopted Jack Violently early on and it just kind of ran with it. So even after the Valentine show I just. I would just be Jack Violently on the bass. Um, and like for the Valentine show the band name was called “Jack Violently and the Throbbers.”

So very phallic, you know, like just the most base level, like teenage boy sexual reference stuff. So when I, you know, officially became a Satanist by raising my hand and saying that I am one, you know, I was starting to think to myself like, you know, everybody has a Satanym, so what could mine be? And I just kind of kept that as, you know, um, the Satanic view of self pleasure and self gratification. So it just kind of fit.

Lithos
Uh, that’s. You probably didn’t. You might have got that from. From the video but you probably didn’t get the audio because we’ve turned our mics off because Zoom. You know.

Jack
Yeah.

Lithos
And. But yeah, that was met with laughter. That’s a classic band name.

Jack
That’s awesome. Appreciate that. Um, sorry.

Lithos
So give us a brief sort of history of, you know, free society Satanists whereabouts are based, you know, what regions do you cover, your kind of membership?

Jack
So we originally, um, we came from other groups. Um, the original 10 people that the Free Society Satan has started with. I’m not going to dignify them with a name but we came from another, ah, Discord group and we kind of started realising that a lot of. A lot of unsavoury things were happening in that group. So we all kind of split apart roughly within the same time and we Just kind of floated friends in Discord for about four or five months, uh, before Sai and myself really decided to try to make this a group and try to make it honest. So the early days of Free Society, Satanist, where the name comes from and our symbol comes, uh, from is a 1900s newspaper that was based out of Portland, Oregon. And the newspaper originally was called the Firebrand until three years later it turned into the Free Society. And that was an anarchistic publication, um, espousing the beliefs that women should have bodily autonomy, women should have the same right to education as men. And they also, uh, decried the, the fouls and um, the atrocities of slavery being one generation removed. So I was thinking to myself if an anarchistic newspaper from 1900s was a really like, espousing, uh, some very dangerous beliefs, you know, at that time of like speaking out against slavery and speaking up for women and, and doing all that, I was like, man, like, that’s what I want to base this group on. I want us to be a very forward, you know, because if we think about Satan as being the literary figure who spoke truth to power and spoke out against, spoke out for the tyrannised and the oppressed, well, in our society, the tyrannised and the oppressed are the POC community, the queer community, women, you know. So I wanted to base the Free Society on what I believed to be what Satanism is. And that newspaper kind of encapsulated it. So we came up with our logo and we called it the Firebrand and we called the, the group the Free Society just based on, on the newspaper’s two names. So we’re kind of giving them a doft of the cap for that. Um, we’ve been a group for about eight months. Uh, we started out with 10 people and with the, the podcast has kind of helped us grow. Not super fast, but we’ve been getting, you know, people, um, fairly regularly who just listen to the podcast and find it organically, which was always a pretty good help with that. Um, Sai and I sat down just under a year ago and really codified our beliefs of what we, we wanted to see in satanic organisations and spaces that we didn’t see before.

Lithos
By all means. What I’d say here is we will put your podcast details in the show notes, but please do take a moment to big yourself up here. And it’s a good podcast, it’s worth listening to. So Jack, I appreciate it.

Jack
Yeah. So, uh, the, the podcast is called the Ave Satanas Podcast. It’s on Spotify it’s on iTunes. It’s literally most places where we’re, uh, podcasts are given. And it’s myself and Chris. Um, Chris is one of our council members. Uh, he’s the Grand Inquisitor, if you’ve heard me reference that on the podcast before. He is the voice of reason. He’s the grown up in the room. I, um, am the monkey with the cymbals and he is the, uh, adult in the room. So he kind of keeps me on track. Good friend of mine, he’s also down here in Georgia. Um, but yeah, so it’s, it’s primarily us two. Uh, we sometimes have Sai on. She doesn’t really want to be on the mic too much. Uh, she has a lot of stuff going on. But yeah, uh, the Ave Satanas podcast, it’s on pretty much every platform out there.

Eddie
Yeah, it was a great episode.

Lithos
Ah.

Jack
Yeah. And yeah, Mr. Eddie has, has been on one. Uh, we had a really good talk and um, I want to say, like, you were just coming off of a cold or you were like sick leading up that week into it.

Lithos
I think your audio’s cutting out. I don’t know if it’s just for me, but your audio is cutting out a lot, Eddie.

Leraje
Yeah, it is for me as well.

Eddie
I’m, um, currently broadcasting from a undisclosed location, so I’m not nearby. Any band.

Jack
The Satan Bunker 3.0. Yes.

Lithos
Okay. Yeah, so basically, yeah, there was that podcast which I was supposed to be on and I forgot and I will apologise for it again.

Jack
Yeah, it’s all good.

Lithos
I’m useless and I know now I have to diary everything. And that one I didn’t diary, so I forgot about it.

Jack
Yeah.

Lithos
Yes. Anyways, so, um, you’ve got, you’ve got the starter there. You mentioned you’re in Georgia. Sort of. How many other regions or places do you cover? Where, where else have you got members?

Jack
So, but we’re kind of twofold here. Um, with the podcast we get members from all over. Um, so basically, you know, if, if somebody can find us through the podcast, they can just join the Free Society and in return that’s there in [our] Global Order. But if somebody, uh, joins us through the Global Order of Satan, we’re really primarily relegated to like the southeastern portion of the United States of America. So you’re thinking about like Georgia, Tennessee, uh, Alabama and then the Carolinas, Florida as well too. Um, so yeah, that’s kind of our, that’s our Global Order of Satan demograph. Uh, but through the podcast, people can find Us wherever. And that could be a good entrance into GOS there. Uh, yeah, so we really have those two, uh, regions to cover through the show.

Lithos
So now we have in GOS there’s the overarching six pillars, um, which we’ve gone into on this podcast in the past. We’ll not go over them again. You’ve got nine principles and there’s a shitload of overlap, obviously, but you know, if you could go through them, there is one pillar in particular and you know which one that I really like because. Because it is kind of unique, as in I don’t know of any other Satanist organisation that explicitly states that as a principle. So over to you, Jack.

Jack
You know, it is really cool that you say that because. So I had known about Global Order just like has a name, but I didn’t know anything else about them for about like two years. I’d heard about it tangentially through another podcast. I didn’t really do too much digging into it back then, but I knew you guys existed. Um, and so when I came up with the nine principles of the Free Society Satanist, at that point when we were first getting this group off the ground, we still didn’t really know a lot about GOS. I say that to say there is a lot of overlap between, um, the six pillars and the nine principles.

So the first one is pretty standard fare for a Satanic organisation: “You are your own master and you should live life according to your own will alone.’ I think we all know what that means. You’re your own God. You don’t, you don’t need a shepherd because you’re not a sheep.

Second one is “show compassion and respect to yourself first and others second.” If someone exploits your compassion, rescind it. Once again, pretty common, fair stuff. We just had a bit more of a harsher language to it.

Number three also right down the middle here. “Logic and reason shall always prevail over superstition and dogma.” I think most every Satanic organisation has somewhere like some, some form of that.

Number four, “respect others’ boundaries, lest yours be trampled underfoot.” So if you’re not going to respect other people’s boundaries, you can pretty much expect yours just to be cast aside, you know. That one’s that, um, I like this one here. This is really important to me.

“Strive to live each day as your most authentic self.” That’s number five. Um, you know, unless you’re like a kid or, you know, you’re late teens, you still have to live with your parents and you have to kind of tone it down a little bit, then sure, don’t, you know, don’t live your life to- But if it’s safe to do so, and it’s not going to impact your, your job or your living situation, you should always live life, you know, as authentically as you can.

Number six: “indulge without excess.” Do what thou wilt, as long as it brings harm to no one else. Um, and that’s, you know, we as Satanists like to live deliciously. We like to live by our vices. But your vices shouldn’t be anybody else’s problems. So, you know, just indulge without excess.

This is the one I think you were, you were referencing here. This is number seven. “Treat nature and her environs with the utmost respect.”

Lithos
Yeah, that was the one. That was the one.

Jack
The reason I like this one here, it really puts the, the argument of the invisible sky Daddy versus Mother Nature on its head. Who has given us more? I would say Mother Nature. You know, she makes trees, which makes oxygen, which feeds and, and, and basically keeps this whole thing running. What has an invisible sky daddy ever done for us? I think Mother Nature has given us a lot more than we’re giving her credit for, so we should treat that with some respect and some reverence. Um, so to that end, that’s kind of more of the snub to the nose of like, organised religion than, than it reads on its face. Um, number eight, uh, if you wrong someone, acknowledge your mistake and work to ensure that it won’t be repeated. Um, I think that’s also in most or some satanic organisations. And then we’re going to end up with never proselytise. If asked questions, answer them. Otherwise let others discover the path for themselves. So, yeah, I wanted to add that Mother Nature in there, Number seven, drastically important for me. I work as a land surveyor, so I work outside in the woods five days a week. And there’s something like inherently satanic about just being in the middle of the woods, you know, a stream running by seeing nature go all past you and just knowing that like Mother Nature gave all of this view. For me right now it’s very indulgent, very grounding to be in nature. And I, I do believe people should get back to doing more of that.

Lithos
Yep, absolutely. I’ll hail that sentiment. It’s. Yeah, absolutely. Um, and I do like that kind of addition. I think most Satanists would kind of go, yeah, well, that’s kind of implicit in what we Believe, but to actually say it, it’s good. So, yeah, excellent. So you, after your, your nine is sort of going through your origins and, and your nine principles, there’s obviously the ritual aspect of Satanism. Um, uh, what kind of rituals do you tend to do? Like unbaptism, initiation kind of things, because they tend to be quite individual to, um, various satanic groups as well.

Jack
So last year was our first ever meetup. Um, we weren’t even under the banner of free Society Satanist at that point yet. It was just basically, you know, the 10 of us that originally created the group and the loved ones of. So we had our meetup in Illinois last year and before that meet up, I wrote out what I called the, uh, four anointed promises to Baphomet. And that’s our unbaptism ritual. Um, and that’s really standard fare. It’s four questions, and at the end of the four questions, the person takes the chalice, drinks out of it, and that dissolves the waters that rushed over them, a.k.a. baptism. Um, so I wrote that a month before the meetup and I was able to perform it twice and I actually had it performed to me. So I’ve had my own unbaptism. Um, as far as initiation goes, we don’t really have rituals per se to become a member of the Free Society Satanist. Um, unfortunately, you know, because we are so spread out due to people coming from the podcast, we really only have one meet up a year. So primarily we do the unbaptism ritual once a year. Um, other than that, there’s really no other rituals or rites to become a member of our group other than just to say, hey, I’m a member of the free society. So ritual to us. Um, Sai and I both place minimal effort on ritual. Like, we’re not ritual heavy. We, uh, don’t discourage people from joining in rituals. But, um, as far as the two of us, we really don’t, um, place a lot of stock in rituals.

Lithos
Yeah, and that’s, you know, when I said earlier, it’s, it varies a lot. Um, you know the, the initiation ritual I mentioned? We do do that, but it’s not a requirement. There’s. We have plenty of members who, who are full members but haven’t gone through the initiation. Initiation ritual. And if you don’t want to, you don’t have to. This is not like the Catholic Church, you know, if you don’t want to do it. But it’s for people who want to specifically do it. You know, I wanted to do sort of like meant to me it meant quite a bit personally to actually say out loud in front of a bunch of witnesses, hail Satan. And I. Yeah, the Catholic Church can get to basically.

Jack
Well you know, uh, Satanism is primarily uh, a very self centred religion. We don’t get to hang out very much. We don’t have our one day a week where we’re all in person together and you know, we get to see each other weekly in a set place. So I can definitely see there’s a lot of value of like doing that ritual because it kind of cements you as part of the group and it kind of cements you as like we went through this together. Whereas I feel like if we met up every, I don’t want to say Sunday, that sounds a bit off. But if we met up every Saturday, if Saturday was our day, like every Saturday we have black mass. Uh, at that point I don’t feel like the ritual would be as needed or as important. So the fact that we don’t meet up, that’s like when you do have a meetup it is super important. And ritual plays a high, A, a high part in that.

Eddie
Yeah, I mean I want to echo that one. A lot of the times when we do our rituals they are very much uh, impromptu and are uh, less, less organised and less well planned. I feel like that uh, usually carries more weight as opposed to the ones that we take a lot more time for, a lot put more energy for because it tends to be significantly raw, More compelling for those who are actually there and going like, yeah, we’re going to do this right now. We’re going to make it work with what we’ve got. Do we have pomegranate seeds? No, but someone’s got some sunflower seeds and you know they don’t drink so they don’t got wine. So we’ve got this nice bottle of sparkling water and things like that. And it just makes the whole thing feel a lot more personal creatively in.

Jack
Cheese with our unbaptism ritual. So before the, before it even starts, like the person who officiates it goes to the person who is getting it done and gives them a cup. And I’ll be like, hey, go in the kitchen, fill this up with whatever you want. I don’t want to know what you put in this cup that I uh, shouldn’t know what you put in this cup. So I go back to the altar space, they’re in the kitchen filling it up with whatever. They hand me the cup back and I set it on the altar. And I like that because it does add such a, a personal aspect of it because the waters that rushed over the people’s heads when they were getting the Christian or Catholic baptism, that’s just water. That’s all the same. So by dissolving it you get to choose what dissolves that water. So that makes it very like personal to the person getting it. And I wanted to make sure that I added that in there specifically. Just the. I get to choose what takes this away from me. Everybody had water. I’m gonna use Jack Daniels, you know, or like, or whatever, you know. Um, but yeah, I love that, that personal choice aspect.

Lithos
Yeah, I mean, yes, to really get the Catholic out of you, you need drain cleaner. Sorry, I just didn’t. Yes, I was raised a Catholic so I have particular issues with that particular brand of uh. Yeah, Jesus cultage.

Leraje
Anyway, something that’s always been a bit of a, um, a mystery to me is because I wasn’t raised religious at all. I was raised by atheist parents as an atheist and I think all of you uh, have been raised uh, in one version of Christian faith or another.

Lithos
So.

Leraje
Yeah.

Eddie
And yeah, it’s partly why we have these rituals. We have these sort of things taken, taken with us from when we’ve left like our ah, various faith backgrounds if we had them. Because there is a value to that, There is a sort of like communal value to having these like shared ritual spaces and these shared ceremonies and these shared conversations you have with. On like a semi regular basis that ah, people understand when they get to. There is, there is a community in that, there is learning and there is something that is worth preserving and taking with you to do something different and hopefully more productive as opposed to just keeping it back there with them, I think is valuable and I think it’s probably one of the more powerful things we can do as an organisation.

Leraje
I mean there’s an argument to be made that us who uh, regularly do podcasts and we all do podcasts, all of us here now do one podcast or another. That’s almost a form of ritual in itself.

Jack
And really like I would say anything would be a ritual if you kind of think about it. You know, to those who smoke weed, you know, getting the bowl ready, packing the bowl, making sure the TV’s on Cartoon Network, getting in your comfy PJs, that’s a ritual. Um, I mean, yeah, anything really can be a ritual. But it’s fun to me to examine the people in the group who came from other religious backgrounds. So like you know, people who come from a Muslim faith who, their services might not be as ritual heavy as let’s say the Catholic or the Christian or even like the Jewish faith. So like, you know, people who come from a Muslim faith might not put as much stock into it as somebody who came from like the Catholic faith which is a very hit. Like everything is a ritual in a Catholic service. Like the stand up, sit down, you know, take the cracker, drink the Jews. Everything is a ritual. So it kind of interests me to see how people find Satanism from other religions and, and how that correlates to what they think about ritual.

Lithos
Um, I, um, mean I think all. If we’re talking about Abrahamic religions, well I would say all religions tend to be ritual heavy because even though in Islam for example, you might not have the church, you know, every Sunday that you still have the several times prayer after day you got to spend a month fasting. You know, it’s like it’s. I uh, would not, you know, I’m quite happy to admit I don’t want to have the self discipline for that and I don’t see why I should. I don’t see the point to be quite honest. Um, but hey ho. But you know we have our own rituals. They tend to be a bit more fun.

Jack
Right, right. And, and it’s all based on, you know, it’s all based on like kind of, you know, taking the pests out of, out of church. At the end of the day we are kind of just snubbing our nose at organised religion. So how far you take it, how much fun you have with it. Um, I, I have really enjoyed seeing other groups perform satanic rituals and just how deep they go because it just looks so fun to just be able to be that care moment and living life right there. Love it.

Lithos
The, the last thing really sort of wanted to ask in the more formal section of this is you know, what, what kind of campaigns you do you have done? Because I know campaigning is also part of generally it’s part of um, sort of proper satanic practise as well.

Jack
So we just, as soon as we kind of came into gos we were starting to think about what we would do even kind of before then, um, before we were in the purview of the global order of Satan, we were more focused primarily on trying to get enough people to make a campaign worth it. Um, our first campaign has been underway for two months. We are working with the Atlanta Mutual Aid Fund, the uh, Atlanta Mutual Aid Society, um, rather, and what they do is, it is a grassroots organisation where they distribute funds based on um, endangered immigrant status, the POC community, the queer community and the unhoused. And it is a, ah, merit, uh, not a merit based, that’s not the right word. It’s a, it’s an honour system based mutual um, aid fund where you ask for what you need, you do not have to pay it back, but they request that you pay it forward. So if I’m down on my luck, I need 250 bucks to meet rent. I go to these people and say, hey, you know, I’m 250 short, I really need rent this month, can you help? And they decide to help you. They just give you 250 bucks, no need to repay. But once you are in a place where you can help other people, they do suggest that you try to help other people, um, here in Atlanta, that it’s a really important thing to see the neighbourhood looking out for each other like that. And I myself am from Atlanta and have been here for 20 years. So I thought that was an important one to start our campaign on. Um, because there’s no, there’s no red tape in order to get money from them or donate to them. It’s literally one office, it’s three people and they are out and about in the community trying to just help people and do as much good as they can. And we’ve been going at it for two months. So we’re going to do two, uh, fundraisers a year, five, um, months and five months with a month in between to reset and schedule. So we are a month and a half into our first five month campaign and our goal has been 100 bucks a month. We want to give every charity we work with 500 bucks. And uh, we are 175, just slightly short of our goal. I think we can make it up next month. Um, we don’t have the second one planned. So July through December we’ll be sitting down and trying to find the next one that we’re going to work with there. Um, we are also working with the Heathens Against Racial Prejudice, which is a play on words for the Sharp community. And if you guys know what SHARPS are, um, it’s an acronym, it stands for Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice. Um, so I kind of wanted to do the Heathens Against Racial Prejudice or the Harps. Um, that is just basically what it sounds like. You know, Satan is getting together to fight racism and fascism. Um, we made a shirt and it’s on our, I think it’s on both Websites. And all the. The money that we make from selling those shirts will go to our fundraisers as well. Uh, we are also working with the, uh, Satan Not Hating campaign. We’re working with you guys on that. Uh, trying to find bands that will lend, uh, their services or at least, you know, stand up and say that they’re in agreement with it. And, um, let me see, what else besides that? I think that’s the three main things we have going on so far.

Lithos
Sounds excellent. I mean, yeah, I mean, you know, those are really good campaigns to get behind. I don’t need to trumpet Satan Not Hating again on here. We will. We will keep doing it, but. Yeah, excellent. I, uh, do in particular like the, um, the idea of that giving people money if they’re deserving of it, you know, if they need it, and then going, we’re not expecting you to pay back, but once you make enough money to pay us back or to help out, it would be nice.

Eddie
Yeah.

Jack
Um, just to kind of like, spread that out into the community, you know, because it could be something as like, man, my car broke down. I’m usually good. I usually don’t need any help, but the transmission blew and I have to get that fixed. So if I can just get that fixed, I can now help out more people. So it’s kind of like this spider web, like a shotgun blast. It just kind of spreads out. So that way, you know, like, if, you know, groceries are expensive, like, everything’s expensive these days. If you could just get a little bit of help to get a little bit forward, then you can help other people out.

Eddie
So.

Jack
Yeah, the Atlanta Mutual Aid Fund. I love them for what they do, and I think that’s a really commendable model, um, that they’ve built their mutual aid fund on.

Lithos
Yeah, it’s awesome. I’ve kind of been monopolising the conversation from the UK Ended a bit at the moment. Anyone over here got questions they want to ask, Jack, before we kind of move on to a more general discussion?

Leraje
Yeah. What’s that you drinking, Jack?

Jack
Well, depending on the cup that I’m holding up, uh, this will be Johnny Walker double black and, uh, Coca Cola. Yeah. There we go. Woodford Reserve, my man. Like it?

Eddie
Two separate glasses. I like the respect for the drink you’re not going to try and abuse.

Jack
Yeah, no. Yeah. Nary the two shell meat, they taste good on their own, but they should stay that way. So, yeah, I do respect it. Neat, uh, is the only way to fly.

Lithos
Fantastic. Right? So now you’ve all heard about fss, please do go to their website and have a look as well. And, um, that will also be posted in the show notes. Um, and once we’ve now we’ve kind of introduced everyone to fss, let’s have a more general discussion and shall we talk about. Because, um, just. Just to let you all know, you know, if some of us sound a bit slower and more shell shocked than usual, we are recording this the day after the little Trump and J.D. vance, uh, incident with Zelensky at a press conference of a magnitude I never encountered before.

Jack
I would like to start off okay for the people, for the, the GOSPOD listeners listening in Europe and abroad and everywhere else that is not the red, white and blue. I want to formally apologise for what we put out in the world. Uh, please understand that the vast majority of Americans really think this is just as fucking stupid as you guys do as well. Um, every day is crazier than the day before. And I just wonder to myself, how long until this nightmarish hellscape, and not even the fun kind, the unfun kind, how long until this nightmarish hellscape just kind of ends or people go, go. You know what? This is enough. I’m sick of listening to this. It’s time to do something. And sadly, it just keeps getting weirder.

Leraje
Yeah.

Ligeia
Could I ask maybe, um, I don’t like politics, but, um, from what I’ve heard, Americans do like talking about politics in, like, everyday situations. Is that right? And is it changing at the moment or how do you feel about that.

Jack
Is so, uh, over here, the way that I view that is it’s kind of a dying thing. Like the older, the old guard. And when I say the old guard, I mean the old Republicans, they like to assign meaning to everything. Meaning. If you’re a young person and you have tattoos or you dye your hair, they think they already know you, right? Oh, my God. You’re this devilish demon crat or demonic rat. That’s what they call Democrats. You’re a demonic rat. Yeah, burn. You know, own the libs. Um, young people really don’t, to my understanding. Like, I feel like we can listen to a person and in two sentences, know which way they lean. But we don’t base politics on that. So there’s obviously the, the, the things you can throw out there to test somebody. And if somebody looks at you, you have green hair, you dress funny, they can look at you, like down their nose and they can do, uh, it that way. But the older white American men Like to make everything about politics. And it’s Sad. Um, I’m 44, so I almost line up with that. With that Democrat with that demograph. Uh, but it, uh, it’s a shame to me that they’re letting something a curb that high trip them up when you could learn so much more just by shutting your mouth and opening your ears. But, yeah, it. There, uh, is a faction of our community that does like to base everything on politics, and hopefully it’s dying out.

Ligeia
So that would make your T shirt a little bit dangerous, maybe.

Jack
So. So I don’t like. Yeah, I’m from the Bible Belt. I. I grew up in central Georgia. M. And luckily their font is very hard to read if you’re at a distance.

Ligeia
I know them. I love them. That’s. Maybe I. I just know.

Jack
Love that band. Yes. I would not wear this around a family reunion. Um, I wouldn’t wear this in the town in which I grew up in. I also have, from Spain, uh, the Bronca Studios. Satanic. Any fascist action. I don’t know if you’ve seen that shirt. It’s the antifa flag with the 666 on it. It’s dope. I have that one. I definitely wouldn’t wear that where I grew up.

Lithos
Yeah.

Jack
Uh, but, yeah, there’s, uh. And probably half my closet, too.

Ligeia
Uh, but yeah, yeah, I feel that.

Jack
But where I live. Where I live now, I live in a town called Little Five Points. It’s in Atlanta, and our town motto is, we’re all here because we’re not all there. So it’s a town of, like, graffiti artists and weirdos and musicians, and that’s awesome. The mayor of Little Five Points has gauges in his ears the size of softball walls. Ah. So I. I’m lucky enough to live in an artist community now, but that wasn’t always the case. So, um. But, yeah, travel 25 minutes in either direction of where I live, and you’re very much in Trump country. So, um, sadly, yes, Dead Air has done.

Lithos
Yes, yes. We ended up talking about such. Such a happy, easy subject.

Jack
Right.

Lithos
Politics poisoning everyone’s lives.

Jack
You know, um, as we were talking, like, before the episode landed or before we started, rather, um, it’s weird to me. And I always talk about this in our group as well. Um, younger people in our group that are maybe 25, 27. This weirdness in politics has been their entire life. This is all they’ve ever known. People who have a bit more grey in their hair, hand raised, can, uh, remember a time when, like, the news wasn’t so freaking crazy and you didn’t hear the insane ramblings of lunatics regardless of side. You know, like, I’m, I’m a lefty. I’ll say it like it’s a hot take. I’m a lefty. Wow. Even then we like in the 90s, the weirdest thing you would hear Republicans talk about and go on about would be the budget. Like budgetary concerns, money, fiscal responsibility. And the most shocking thing that the, the Democrats would talk about would be feeding the homeless. Wow. Like, big shock there. So nothing too insidious, nothing too crazy. It was really when Obama’s first term came around and the evangelical rights started with the, uh, birtherism stuff like he’s born in Kenya. QAnon, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh are really like the three main catalysts for why we are in the pickle that we’re in right now. And it’s sad to, to wake up and look at the news and see all the incendiary and just things that America is pumping out at a massive rate. And I am so sorry for the rest of the world for having to see it. But I’m more sorry people here who are having to live through it and really be scared. People of colour, the queer community, women, they are really the ones who are getting the brunt of it. Um, the co founder of the free society, Satanist, she’s South Us, south, uh, Asian, and she is in a state that doesn’t like South Asians very much. So it’s, it’s, it’s scary, you know, and we have to look out for each other, has Satanist. We have to stand up for the tyrannised, for the oppressed, and be that buffer between them. And that’s kind of what I hope to do and what I hope we all kind of do for the next three and a half years.

Ligeia
I have, I have another question. Um, does the current situation that you just described, um, does it impact your rituals? Is it changing how you approach it? Is it becoming something new, something else?

Jack
So with our rituals, something you can.

Ligeia
Talk about, I don’t know.

Jack
It doesn’t really impact our rituals, um, and it doesn’t really impact our outward expression as Satanist. Um, so one thing I didn’t, uh, touch on is the firebrand. Our actual logo would be that way. Um, I chose that to be kind of camouflage when you’re out in public, if you want to show that you’re a Satanist without having an upside down pentagram or having the Baphomet or whatever. The firebrand that we have is literally our initials, tfs, and it’s just done in a colophone style. Um, so in that way we can still show that we are Satanist outside without really, you know, you see the big red emblazoned pentagram or inverted pentagram that will put a target on your back. If, um, you see the, the firebrand, it would look like just some nondescript band logo. Um, so to that end, yeah, we thought about that before, but it kind of started serving that purpose as well for being camouflage for, uh, the groups, the members of the group who want to show it without being, without putting themselves in danger. But, uh, no, it hasn’t really impacted our ritual, uh, because we only do it once a year. And the rituals that we primarily do, like I said, are the unbaptism. So it doesn’t really, uh, impact that. But, uh, I could see how it would.

Leraje
So I would assume then that when you, like, I know you’ve got something coming up later in the year, you won’t have booked that under the name fss, right?

Jack
Yeah. So we’re doing, uh, we have our meetup coming up in July and we’re going to have a couple of verbos, but we’re just booking them under just regular names. People are asking or like, if the VRBO owner said, well, what’s going on? It’s a business meeting. You know, like really nothing more needs to be known than that. Um, we were thinking about doing a camping trip, but I don’t know if you’ve ever been in Georgia in July, but it is 350 degrees. Um, so camping outside may not be the, the best. Um, so, yeah, we’re getting a couple of, of verbose Airbnbs close by and, and doing it that way, but we’re just booking them under just names.

Leraje
I think in the uk that’s what you’re describing. And I mean, other people have said that. We had, I think our. The second episode we did was about Satanic safety and we had, uh, Cora from Satanic in Nature podcast as one of, ah, our guests. And she described a situation very similar to what you’re talking about in that it can be kind of like actively dangerous.

Jack
Yeah. Identify as a Satanist and really it goes depending on the region of America that you are. Like I said, we’re in the, we’re in the Bible Belt. Um, we’re also in the birthplace of the Ku Klux Klan. I hate saying that sentence, but unfortunately it is what the world Is so, yeah, I mean you have like those groups who are really actively out to hurt anything that they deem to be a threat. Um, I could imagine it would probably be a little bit less dangerous if you’re like in, in California, um, like around Los Angeles or if you’re in a more forward thinking part of the world. But yeah, in the south and in certain regions of America it is very dangerous to come right out and say that I’m a Satanist because want to really learn what it is they are going based on what Hollywood and movies in the satanic panic told them it was.

Leraje
I believe Cora, um, is in Arizona, very Republican.

Jack
Yeah. Ah, they were the first state to come up with constitutional carry when it comes to guns. Meaning you don’t have to have a licence. You living in Arizona is the licence you need to own a gun. So you can just have like, just right on your hip, no licence, no nothing. If you’re from Arizona, you can walk down the street with it. So, um, yeah, like very Republican, that part of that part of the world.

Lithos
Sure, yeah, it’s um. You have apologised twice or three times now for, you know, what, what, what’s coming over from America. But you, you needn’t apologise, you’ve got nothing to do with that. And believe me, we’ve got our own bullshit merchants over here as well. They’re just not, not quite as powerful. Um.

Jack
Spain likes to export good wine and beautiful food. And England, uh, likes to export rain and cloudy weather. We like to export hard times. We like to export sugar laden drinks and idiots who run off at the mouth without really knowing what the fuck they’re talking about. And once again I apologise if I’m swearing too much, but this stuff makes me unnervingly angry. Um, so we were talking before the show about Boris and like, I feel like America is kind of quasi responsible for that. We somehow cosmically sent you the English version of Donald Trump and it turns out to be, you know, kind of true really if you think about it. But yeah, we like to export hard times.

Eddie
I’d love to lay the blame the feet of America for Boris Johnson, but he’s very much a creature of our own making. Um, you know, we have like, we have a bad habit over here in the United Kingdom of finding just a weirdo who’s got like a little bit of like responsibility, power. Like when Bosnians first came to the scene, I believe he was a counsellor, um, and then was just like, oh, he’s a bit weird, a bit wacky and a bit strange. And his dad’s a bit of a posh guy so we’re going to put him on the telly for a bit and laugh at him and keep giving him airtime, keep giving him the airtime and eventually like, oh, that’s the funny one from the telly. I’m sure that that can’t be too bad. Into a situation like you described earlier, where people don’t care about politics anymore because the consensus is very much like, this is all we do now. There’s no change and there’s varying degrees of like hostility towards one or two different people. And then you kind of end up big parties and kind of fighting over like semantics of what definitions things are, as opposed to me sort of meaningful change. And so you get freaks and weirdos who go like, oh, and my responsibilities, I’m gonna do something completely batshit in one of the two directions. And then people go like, ah, they’re saying something about, you know, doing something meaningful, as it were, right? And so like that’s, you know, you flock to it.

Lithos
You can.

Eddie
Same thing in the States with Trump. Like, same sort of phenomenon there. Like she’s like, all the part is very much like everything is, this is how it is now. Nothing needs to change. Um, actually I think we should do just completely insane, like way off the far end of the right hand of the scale. And people are like, ah, that’s someone who’s saying we should do something a bit differently. Let’s go that way. Um, because I think this is, you know, if you look at the recent elections in Germany, um, the um, spike in people voting for AfD, you’ve got, we’ve got part, you’ve got party there who are like, you know, really far right. And so a lot of people are deciding to no longer vote for, you know, the light option and go straight for the far right option because it’s something that’s, you know, distilled that. And then same in the same country, same phenomenon with the name Dlinka, the left hand, left wing party. Got a group of people going like, we want to do left wing politics in a meaningful way that actually demands change. And they’re, you know, their vote share sprung up at the same time. Because when you get given people who are doing the actual thing instead of going for like, oh, we want to go for like the middle road option, people are not going to do that because the middle road option is for stagnation, for the status quo and for the Majority of people in, uh, various places, you know, the status quo shit, it sucks. And so, you know, as much as I would love to blame Boris Johnson on the United States of America, he’s very much a creature of our own making by giving airtime to someone who has these sort of, like, opinions. We did the same thing with Farage, um, same thing with, like, everyone else going forward, and you find the next sort of freaking weirdo to kind of get that.

Jack
And then, you know, when the unwashed masses, and I say that through an American lens, listen to these people talk, they’re like, I like him. He’s a straight shooter. He, you know, he’s not beholden by the Washington elite. He tells it like it is. So when you hear these, like, unnerving things that they’re saying, and you hear them maybe, like, you know, talk about what was the thing during the campaign, uh, trail the, um, people from some Hispanic nation who were eating the geese in the town of, uh, some town in Ohio. And people would go, yeah, I think they were. They were like the Venezuelans or something. I can’t remember what exactly nation they were blaming that on. Turned out not to even be true. But when you hear that and you think, I like this guy, he tells it like it is. He’s not beholden to the. The government machine. What that’s given is it’s a giving a green light to listen to the most unhinged and the biggest lies you can come up with. Now, a lot of the older guard in America would say that the young people in America think that everybody older than him, um, is a Nazi. And here’s why I say that. Trump uses a play out of the German playbook to unite the people, give them a common enemy. He has done this over and over again. Be it the Mexicans with the wall, be it, you know, we’re gonna like. The tariff situation is the newest one. Wherever it’s coming from, they’re paying for it. And the younger people are starting to see this. They’re like, hey, he’s just trying to rile up his unwashed masses by going after a group that he knows he can get away with. And if it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck and it goose steps like a duck, it’s probably a duck. So to call Trump and his people Nazis. And of course, Elon with the. My thoughts are with everybody, you know, like that he was doing. And now he’s in the White House.

Lithos
The one. The gesture that Steve Bannon copied shortly after deliberately. He knew what he was doing.

Jack
Right? And he knew what he was doing and, and it’s that. So. But they also get incredulous when we say, punch Nazis. This guy’s a fucking Nazi. This, this and this. They don’t want to see the signs. And this is the same group of people that fought in the war against the Nazis. The older guard in America fought in that war and now they are cowtailing and licking the boot of the people who are doing this. It makes no sense to me and it’s infuriating. That’s why I put 10 toes in the sand and I say that Satanism is important and it’s something that we really should take more seriously because I feel like we’re one of few, one of the only people out here who are really seeing it for what it is. Um, but yet, no, I’ve been a Satanist for three years, but the, uh, past year, seeing it impact so many people who I love and I call friends, it has really solidified the, the thoughts and what we, what we stand for and what we espouse. It really has solidified that in my heart and it’s made the cause that I’m. I would die on a hill for. Most certainly theoretically, of course, nobody here is going to war. I, I used very insightful language. We’re not going to war, but it’s metaphorically. I would die on the metaphorical hill of Satanism any day.

Lithos
I can’t go to war. I’ve got bone spurs. Jesus.

Leraje
It’s funny what you say about, um, the American public. They like, they like a candidate who, who they think tells it like it.

Jack
Is and it couldn’t be further wrong. He’s not telling it like it is. He’s telling it the way he wants it to be. Yeah.

Leraje
Over here we’re not particular. Telling it like it is is one thing, but what over here, what people really like is someone who’s a bit upper class and we can all kind of like think, oh, he’s, he’s probably better than us and he probably deserves to be in charge because he went to Eaton or, you know, he lives in Cambridge or Oxford or wherever. And uh, yes, that’s, that’s our leaders and therefore he knows better than us and we should just let him get on with it.

Jack
Right.

Lithos
Yes. And it is especially noticeable and this, there is still a massive class thing here in this country. I, ah, would argue that it’s still noticeable that people who proclaim their men of the people of a man of the people like Ah, Nigel Farage went to quite an exclusive private school. Nigel Farage has a plummy accent. It doesn’t sound common, he doesn’t sound regional. He’s had plenty of money. He is exactly from the same kind of background as Boris Johnson. It’s just that he was unlucky that his dad wasn’t quite as famous as Boris Johnson’s.

Eddie
Whereas the language he uses is more important because instead of using the language of, like, the established politicians over here, which is prevaricating and being quite loud, being quite academic and being, you know, never fooling anything, he’s quite straight, he’s quite says things in a way that isn’t overly complex and overly like. It doesn’t put people off. I’m aware of the rdi, if you’re currently using words. Um, the way he speak doesn’t put people off, not because of the content he was saying, but because the way he says it. He’s not deliberately trying to, you know, make journalists have to dance around the meaning, the words. He’s very much, you know, I’m saying this, this is what I think it is, full stop. Next question. And the way he acts, it’s not like it’s not subservient to the media and the media sphere. Uh, he’s very much like, I’m going to say this, I’m going to keep going for it. You’re going to keep coming to me to ask questions because you need access to me to sell your papers or get clicks on your website and get your news out there, because I’m going to give you the headlines that people respond to. As opposed to someone like Keir Starmer, who is, you know, a cabbage, um, it doesn’t really stand for anything. And everything he says means, like three or four different things. If you want to look at it in one way, I’ll go like, I’m definitely going to do this, and turn around, do something completely wrong. And it puts people off politics and it puts people off the whole system and it just makes the entire thing significantly more complicated to get anything out of.

Leraje
It’s certainly not difficult to see why people think, uh, the characters like Farage or Johnson or Trump or Vance even are kind of, uh, you know, have something that’s important to say. Um, it’s not till you actually start analysing the things that they’re actually saying that you think to yourself, hang on a minute, that’s absolute bollocks. What are you talking about?

Jack
So I’m a firm believer in the pendulum theory, has Won swings will ultimately kind of go back to centre and back to it, to a more rational and even thought process. It’s just going to take time. Uh, but since time eternal, America has not given the rest of the world much pause to give us a lot of respect. We have done goofy crap pretty much from time eternal. We don’t need a politician to make us look like idiots. We can do a good enough job of that on our own. Um, just, you know, like school shootings or the crap we put in our food or how we treat the homeless. Like we don’t need a politician to make us look unprepared. Um, I think America has done that pretty well on its own. But to have a politician who’s done that, and this is really the first time that I can remember that we’ve really had one that’s just been a fucking thorn in our side not doing us any favours. Trump, I think we all know who I’m talking about here. Um, adding all of that to him saying this incendiary crap, it. I really hope and pray that this pendulum swings back to the more side of logic and reason sooner rather than later and we can get back to at least having a leader who at times may be inefficient but sounds like a stately and measured person who, uh, speaks with a bit of thought. Yeah. And who speaks with a bit of like respect to who he’s speaking to. Uh, we just.

Leraje
What’s the general opinion on, um, someone like Bernie Sanders? Because he’s quite, you know, again, he seems to fulfil that criteria of if an American were to see, to listen to what he says. Um, they would say they’re someone who’s a straight shooter. They’re someone who tells it like it is in the sense that he’s very direct.

Jack
So the, the sense of Bernie you would have would be people of our ilk. If you’re an American and you are a Satanist, a large part of Lake, uh, the Bernie supporters would be very much in the, very much in our camp. Uh, other people would see him as the dangerous socialist, the dangerous communist socialist. They don’t understand that word fully. And I really hate giving this guy credit. I hate giving this guy credit. But I was listening to Bernie Sanders on the Joe Rogan podcast. I know, I get it here, I can hear the collective groans. But he explained how he would give us united health care and, or universal, um, health care and all of this. And he said this makes a lot of sense. Taxing Wall street transactions 1 fraction of $0.01 for every time. And this was Bernie’s idea for how he was going to do it. And when I heard that it made a lot of sense, I was like, that’s how he’s going to do it. Why is this not implemented anyway? Why are we not already doing this? Which, by the way, that was also one of the last times I listened to Joe Rogan, but I knew he was going to be a guest on the show, so I wanted hear him out. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, uh, the average American thinks about Bernie Sanders like he is a. The dangerous communist socialist. We can’t have this, you know, so, unfortunately, he never would have had traction here anyway.

Leraje
That’s a shame.

Lithos
M. Yes.

Eddie
Well, now that Elon Musk has dismantled the CIA, um, you’re going to have China stepping into filler, sort of like soft power role across the world. So I feel like fear of socialism will protect.

Jack
Gutting us at every turn. And it’s only been, what, three weeks? A month. I mean, Elon Musk has had his grubby little paws in the White House for just under a month, and this shit’s what he’s doing. I’m worried. I really am. Um, uh.

Lithos
Yeah, yeah.

Leraje
Eddie, you might want to leave and rejoin.

Lithos
We have lost Eddie for a second.

Leraje
Oh, you’re back.

Lithos
They’re back. They’re back.

Eddie
I started talking about ggp. Kidding me. Kidding me. I know what’s happening. Targeted.

Jack
They slowed down your bandwidth on purpose because they knew you were talking about them. Yeah.

Lithos
Yes, absolutely. It’s the deep state. You know, the, um, deep state as opposed to the shallow state, the lightweight state. I don’t know. I don’t understand these things. You, uh, know, they sound terribly woke to me.

Jack
We’re not. The shallow state. Where? The shallow end of the gene pole over here on this side of the pond.

Lithos
Well, you were talking there about hoping that the pendulum swings back in the opposite direction. But of course, what you’re relying on there is the laws of, uh, motion and gravity, and we know those things are woke as well. So you should not.

Jack
Science, Right. Oh, my God. Oh, no.

Lithos
Yeah.

Leraje
Your woke science. We all know the Earth’s flat. Really.

Jack
I like to. I like to think the Earth is a cube. It can be both flat and round at the same time. It’s a dice or it’s a die, I guess. Just spinning on. It’s a flat circle. Yeah. By the way, that was absolute, by the way.

Lithos
Ah.

Ligeia
The blob.

Lithos
Yeah.

Jack
Yes.

Lithos
Maybe the Earth is pringle shaped, which why we like potato based snacks so much.

Jack
No one’s ever explored that possibility. It could be a long cylindrical sphere. It could be rotating on a different axis. I mean, who’s to say, man? Like so the flat portion is just the very small portion of the, the bottom or top of the Pringle scan. Yeah, I mean, I think you’re onto something. Let’s, let’s circle back.

Eddie
Yeah, no, let’s not, let’s not do that.

Leraje
Just for our listeners. I’d like to like to say at this point that those of us with video can see that Eddie was sitting there with their face very much in their hands.

Lithos
Yes, absolutely.

Jack
And this is going to be a very European, uh, based joke. But it’s not the ice giants we have have to worry about. It’s Mr. Tato who guards the realm that we are not allowed to travel to. Ah, so Mr. Tato is really the ice giants that we have to be worried about.

Eddie
That’s the conspiracy theorist correspondent on the podcast.

Lithos
Uh.

Jack
So what we’re doing is we’ve made it now, 55 minutes an hour into the podcast, we’ve lulled the Satanist into a sleep. Now we’re talking about. The real shit, guys, is the ice giant that protects America. Okay, there’s uh, another one. Okay, I promise I’ll, I’ll probably end with this one here. So I’m a Satanist, I’ve made no bones about it. Uh, the guy that I work with, we’re sitting in a work truck for five hours a day and uh, we, we were travelling to a job site. 45 minutes of silence. He turns to me and he knows I’m a Satanist. He goes, hey man, did you know Oreos are satanic? Uh, my mind was blown. I was like, please elaborate. And he goes, well, if you look at an Oreo, there’s a bunch of satanic imagery on an Oreo. And without thinking and without pausing, I go, did you know Milk is also satanic because they’re in bed with Oreos. They’re Oreo. Oreos are Milk’s favourite cookie. Big Milk is satanic.

Leraje
Big Milk.

Jack
And I told him that Big Milk is satanic because Oreos are Milk’s favourite cookie. And he looked at me wide eyed thinking that I had inside track knowledge on this. And I’m just with the guy. So yeah, he came at me with Oreos are Satanic. And I really made him think. So yeah, that’s another lie you can spread to the unwashed masses that Big Milk is in league with the devil. Because Oreos are satanic.

Leraje
I would just like to say to Jack’s coworker at this point, if you’re listening, he’s okay.

Jack
Guarantee you he’s not.

Ligeia
Not after the Earth theory. I think we are alone here, guys.

Lithos
I have come across that Oreos and mystical symbols thing before. Now it’s like, what?

Jack
Really?

Lithos
You think so? Oh, do you know how many. How many biscuits we’ve got over here? Sorry? Biscuits, Cookies, us, listeners. Cookies. Um, we’ve got over here with weird that, you know, that date back nearly a century with weird embossed patterns on them. They put them on to make them look different and special. If they wanted to raise Satan, they wouldn’t do it through the medium of a handy sugary snack.

Jack
They would do it through the digestive biscuits. Those things are horrible anyway. Those are the words of the devil.

Eddie
I cannot believe this is called a digestive. Disgusting. In the same conversation as an Oreo. 2.

Leraje
Exactly.

Eddie
People don’t actually believe this. This is one of the conspiracy theories that exists as a joke. It’s a joke. Some people do believe it because some people are crazy, but most of it is a joke because a lot of conspiracy theorists are, uh, anti, uh, Semitic. Um, but that’s not relevant to this point. This point is that people look at that and go like, how can I make a conspiracy theory out of something that’s, you know, innocuous and benign and exists everywhere? They look at it and go like, I bet I can make a conspiracy theories out of this by looking at these things connecting with two other things. It’s not actually a real thing. It’s just a thing people looked at and they’re like, that’d be really funny to try and perpetuate. And so some people do bite because these communities are intrinsically looking for things to explain their worldview in a way that is, you know, not the most obvious thing in the world, which is an Oreo would look boring if it was blank.

Jack
Right? So over here, um, in Texas, Oklahoma, in the Midwest, um, chilli is a big thing. They have chilli cook offs. I don’t know if you’ve even. Do you guys have chilli over there? Meat, Beans, spices. This guy on Reddit, um, told his friend, who’s this big Second Amendment supporter, it was a Republican. He was like, beans are woke. You should make your chilli without beans, because beans are woke. And his friend was like, what do you mean, buddy? He was like, yeah, well, chilli made in New Mexico and Texas in the 1800s. Really only had meat. The, the lefties from San Diego put beans in it as filler so they could feed the homeless. And the next day he changed his recipe because he was like, I don’t subscribe to that woke shit. And he made him change the recipe. His chilli that has won awards and has been, you know. And the friend found out about it like a couple of months later and he was like, why did you do that to me, man? He was like, I just said it to see if you believe it. You didn’t do any sort of fact checking. You just ran with what I said is truth and you changed the on your own off idiot.

Ligeia
Yeah, well deserved.

Jack
So if there is a thing over there that the more right wing thinkers would, would eat, if it’s like a food that is associated with like a group, like if you guys have of like, I don’t know, like a certain type of shepherd’s pie that like Republicans like, uh, once again, I’m an American. They don’t teach us this start um, a woke campaign saying that one ingredient in it is woke and see how long it takes them to change it.

Eddie
Typically, like obsession with uh, not eating civic brands of food is more like a left wing position. Um, it’s very much like the way we food and what we feel does like a person is less like concerned with what cyber plate would buy you for your fall under. It’s a very like specifically American valence that I quite enjoy watching. But we don’t really have that over here. Uh, like the obsession over there with eating a chick fil A because it’s because they’re owners of right wing is a thing that I find fascinating. But over here we wouldn’t have that sort of thing. The people who don’t care and people who wouldn’t actively go towards it because they don’t agree with that. You won’t have people actively going to support that as a brand. It’s not really that sort of thing. Over here you get one or two weirdos, but it’s not really that sort of thing.

Jack
Is Chick fil a even over there?

Eddie
No, no. We have a Taco Bell now we discovered which is uh, it looks gross. I’ll be honest. I’m sorry.

Jack
So what I like doing is once again, I’m from Georgia. Chick fil a is from seven miles away from my house. Like the headquarters where they began is literally in my backyard. So this is what I do. So they have to say my pleasure when they take your order and they have to call you by Your name when you pick up your food. So what I do is, uh, and this is my silent protest, I will go in there and I will give them a goetic demon name. They’re like, can I get a name for your order? Um, Belial. They have to actually say Belial, number 62, your order’s ready and I’ll just walk. So I make them say goetic demon names on the off chance that I do go there. But yeah, you’re right, the food sucks. But every, I’ll give them like Leviathan, Belial, um, Asmodeus, Like I’ll just give them whatever. Yeah, I’ll give them Asmodeus. And they’ll be like, how do you spell that? And then I’ll spell it out for them. And on the ticket, on the little thing, it will say Osmodias. Another way that I like trolling them in the morning, if you get a sausage, egg and cheese biscuit and a sweet tea, it comes up to be $6 and 66 cents. They will ask you, would you like to round up to change your order number? Uh, and I’m like, no, why would I give you extra money? Charge me that. And they’ll always ask again, are you sure? Can I charge 5 cents for something else? No, sir, I would like to pay what I’m owed. So they have to say Your total is 666. So yeah, I, I kind of, I, I troll them a bit with that. But I digress. Man.

Leraje
That’S genuinely mind boggling that they would see that as an issue.

Jack
Right.

Ligeia
It’s interesting.

Jack
Or, and it’s always they want to charge you more. I’m like, you don’t want to take a penny away from me and charge me 665. You want me to pay 667. So you cannot say that number. Like no, let’s. This is what I’m, this is what I’m owed. I need to pay this. And it’s always like, you know, well, we’re going to take a penny away. We’re going to be the good guys. Guys. No, give us an extra penny is what they’re doing.

Leraje
Wow.

Ligeia
It’s a little bit superstitious or something. Like the satanic panic is still alive. Well, some, you know, like what?

Lithos
Chick fil a number.

Ligeia
Like it’s a number.

Jack
Come on.

Lithos
They’ve got, they’ve got quite a fundamentalist Christian background.

Jack
Yeah.

Lithos
Chick fil A. Don’t they still close? Uh, on Sundays or weekends they kind of like go, yes, because on Sunday that Shall not work. Except for their accountants, probably.

Jack
Right. Yeah. The lawyers and accountants still have to show up for work. Yeah. Chick Fil a has a very hard line, like, um, to interview with and to work for Chick Fil A. One of the questions. Excuse me, is they will ask what church you go to. And that’s not a question that will bar you from employment. It. But they want to know. Um, and also too, they do close every Sunday. Um, which is weird in the fact that that’s the only day Southerners want Chick Fil a is on Sundays. I never think to myself, I’m like, Monday, man. Really? I want some Chick Fil A. It’s always like on Sunday. Damn it. I kind of wish they were open. Um, but, yeah, no, they will never work on Sunday.

Leraje
When they ask you what church you’re going to.

Ligeia
Exactly. That was my question.

Leraje
Are they asking, are you religious or are they genuinely interested in what church?

Jack
So during the application process. So in America, they cannot bar you from employment if you’re not religious, but they just kind of want to know. So they. It’s a way to test you to see if they want you to work there. Right. Uh, so one of the questions, well, what church do you go to? And you can make. You could riff one out and make one up. Up. But most Southern cities are small enough to know where they can kind of figure out if you were lying to them or not. Had, um, I would say, had I were to apply to Chick Fil A and I would say, well, I’m a member of the Free Society. Uh, what church is that? It’s an online church and I just leave out the last word. I’m a member of the Free Society. They would probably Google it and see what those. What that search comes up with.

Leraje
And you wouldn’t get back. Invited back for a second.

Jack
Yeah, doubt I would. I would be working there next week. Nope.

Eddie
I will. I will say, uh, in. In their defence that being closed on Sunday is a good thing. Uh, hospitality workers tend to be like, you know, paid and having a guaranteed day on the weekend is good. Right, people, we are going back on that.

Jack
Uh, oh, yeah.

Eddie
Fully agree that we are currently recording on May Day and therefore we should be, you know, defending, uh, you know, the fundamental right weekend, uh, to people on the left wing of the spectrum and shouldn’t be forcing people on minimal wages to cook chicken for us. But I understand why you might want that at the same time.

Ligeia
Um, yeah, it makes sense, but it shouldn’t be because of the Christian beliefs.

Jack
Yeah.

Eddie
No, because you have to go to work, you know.

Ligeia
You know, like, the reasoning behind it is. Is weird to me, but I agree that, uh, you should have, or like, people should have a day off. Like, you can, you can manage your shopping or whatever without Sundays being like the day of your shopping, groceries, whatever. I think. Yeah, but the reasoning is sick.

Lithos
I’m, um, kind of like old enough to remember a time where I worked for a company that gave me double overtime for working on a Sunday, you know, and it’s, you know, that’s what used to happen. And now it’s like, you work on a Sunday, you get paid the same as any other day. Yeah, um, so, yeah, absolutely. Fully agree with that one, Eddie. But having said that, doing it because your boss is a Christian fundy nut, that’s a different reason.

Jack
Once again, my American mind was just blown. Um, the way that we like to protect our workers is making them work more. There’s, uh, never been a time in my life where you would get double overtime for working on the weekend. They would just tell you to get wrecked and see you on Monday. So, um, that’s amazing, man. I’m happy for you that at least somebody in the world got that. That.

Eddie
We used up strong unions. We don’t anymore, but we used to. Yeah, some. Some sectors still have that as a thing, but it’s very much not. Not, uh, not a common practise over here anymore.

Lithos
We. Yes, we used to have that. They’re definitely used to, you know, thanks to those pesky woke things called workers unions.

Jack
Right. Yeah. Liberal.

Lithos
Yeah. Because why would anyone, any working person, want a union because they’re woke, they’ll just get in the way of, uh, giving you a decent life.

Jack
Why? Are they worried about their interest being served? No, these get. Get back. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Get back to work. Yeah. Oh, uh, man, we. We have. We have strayed kind of far away from the initial topic, man. We are just now just a bunch of old people bitching about the world. I love it. There we go.

Ligeia
It always ends up like this.

Jack
Exactly. Sure. Has there ever been a time more, uh, perfect for bitching about the way the world is? Like now more than ever, like, abs. Lutely like, this is the time that we should be bitching and we should be trying to figure out a way, if not to correct it, then to upset it? Um, uh, just protest can come in many different ways in many different factions. And I think today or yesterday was like our buying or economic protest. We weren’t supposed to buy anything yesterday. And a guy on, um, Blue sky was like, instead of not buying anything, why don’t you just open all the containers? Like you want to protest Coke? Just open all the two litres on the shelf, put them back. Like, shit’ll go bad pretty quick. You’re not spending money, but you’re also, you’re, you’re disrupting them from the inside. And I was like, man, that dude gets it. Because really, if you’re in a grocery store and you just open up a couple of two litres or you open up food and just close it back up, what have you done other than broke the seal and made the expiration date start right then you’re not really damaging it, but you’re also affecting it from the, uh, from the outside. So now’s the time we need to start thinking about more creative and more dumb ways of disrupting the apple cart. Because we need to let the world know that this shit isn’t going to stand. Um, and I’m not saying go out there and just put a bomb on like a gas pipeline or nothing. We’re not, we’re not trying to do that. We’re not trying to hurt anybody. We’re not trying to do anything like that, but find creative ways to disrupt the system. System. And that guy had the best way as far as I’m concerned. Just go into a grocery store, start opening food and closing it.

Ligeia
Um, you know, you know what, maybe start with a, ah, like a bookshop. And what we. I don’t know. I did that. I’m not saying we just move all the Bibles into fiction section because, like, it’s not damaging anything.

Jack
Right.

Ligeia
And it belongs there.

Jack
And you’re helping them, really? Matter of fact, what I like doing is, oh, I have about a thousand of these that I will just put into like every religious text. Like go into Barnes and Noble, go into in a bookstore and just like in the Bible, there you go, put that in there, put it back on the shelf.

Lithos
Counterbalance.

Jack
Um, yes.

Ligeia
I love that. Again, you’re not damaging anything. I love that.

Jack
Just adding a different point of view, man. Just adding a little, A little different. Yeah. And that’s what the world needs, more counterbalance. Absolutely, yes.

Lithos
I mean the, the. One of the very few powers you hold as an individual in an arch capitalist society like ours is your custom, your consumer ship.

Jack
Yeah.

Lithos
And one easy way by starting is look at those who run companies who were there at the inauguration and went right behind them and said, we are cutting all the dei, uh, initiatives and you go right, okay Bezos not buying any thing from Amazon. And tell all the people you know, don’t cancel your prime membership, just them off. You can find that elsewhere and, and you’re probably less likely to get some cheap illegal charger that was made in China in the sweatshop. You know you kind of like you start with that, you go Facebook off. You can find other ways of keeping in touch with people. The meta platforms off exert your right as a consumer to withhold your custom. It might not look like a big thing but the more people do it it the more they will see it reflected in their business figures. And that is all they care about. Literally all they care about. They’ll wave the red flag and Mars little book one day and they’ll do a Nazi salute the next if it means they can keep making more and more money. That’s all they care about. Sorry, rant over.

Jack
No, no, no. And to kind of tie it back into the original uh, part of like the topic of what we’re talking about here is you know, so we do not only are we under the banner of global order of Satan but we’re also under the banner of anarcho satanist anarchistic Satanism. So we put the onus of big corporations, Exxon Mobil, Amazon, Walmart, you pick it. They have done the same amount of harm if not more than organised religion. Amazon for the longest has made this thing. It’s a, a, a very well known secret that they time you when you go to the bathroom. Your, your productivity is tracked by this gun that you have to use to scan packages. If that gun is set down for more than seven minutes it starts docking you in productivity meaning you have to run across a football field sized warehouse, use the bathroom and get back to your station within seven minutes. So yeah we you know, we tend to you know treat big corporations has the same evil as organised religion. Now I understand that people can’t always get away from Amazon. Sometimes you have to use them but use them sparingly as I like to say shop local, still corporate.

Leraje
Yeah, I do think people forget that you know people were able to shop and buy things before Amazon was invented.

Jack
Right?

Leraje
Yeah, yeah. It might be a bit more tricky these days but it’s not impossible.

Lithos
No, no it’s not. It’s uh. And you know I haven’t used them for years. It didn’t take this to stop me using them. It was their well known practises towards their workforce.

Eddie
Yeah.

Lithos
And you know, you uh, know and the profits of which go to Jeff Bezos building a blue rocket that looks like a dick. Yeah, um, you know, off. And I have managed. And it’s, it’s more awkward when you, when you’ve got a search for stuff and you need to buy it online because there’s nowhere local that has it, it is more awkward. And sometimes you can find it locally. You might have to get out the house and get your ass there yourself. But you are not contributing towards the empire of a dickhead who is now also siding with a fash right to.

Jack
Live on your laurels. It does take. It takes away a certain level of comfort. Um, so we like to walk it like we talk it. Um, I will only use Amazon as a last resort. If I cannot go into town and I can’t find a local mom and pop shop that sells it, I will then at least backtrack a little bit to like, uh, Target. And then I will backtrack more to. But I always try to find it local first. Local Target. If you dig deep enough, any corporation is going to have skeletons in the closet. But it’s the sk. Like, which skeletons are you good with? Dancing with Amazon is always the last resort. So yeah, it’s the convenience of having it the next day. You don’t have to leave your house, you ordered in your underwear, whatever. But yeah, get out in traffic, man. Like, this shit’s worth it. Vote with your dollars. Because it’s not really going to do too much to their bottom line, really. But it’ll let them know that, like, a certain faction of people do not want this.

Eddie
I mean, like, Amazon as a, uh, like, as an entity isn’t just like the storefront or the prime video. It exists as like, like maybe, I think the predominant web service that everyone’s hosting or their domains are mostly run through Amazon Web Services as a monopoly. As an institution, Amazon is massive and has its fingers in everything. And trying to excise yourself from it is almost impossible without uh, removing yourself to a cabin in the woods. Um, it’s the sort of thing, like when people talk about boycotts, which you mentioned, uh, a minute ago about uh, yesterday being like a. Boycotts work best when they’re targeted specifically at things like McDonald’s. Not so long ago reported that they did suffer like a quite significant financial, uh, impact from people boycotting them over their continued, like, business with, uh, Israel during the current genocide. Um, so, you know, so having it targeted at things where the pressure can be felt most is it’s the best way to do it. But like a General sort of thing doesn’t always work out best and it has to be like done something that’s feasible and trying like to you know. Yes, I would, you know, I would say yes, stop using Amazon where you can like same day delivery, next day delivery does not exist in the sustainable world. And if you want to fight for something that is sustainable, you have to acknowledge these things that Spain there, uh, but the concept like you know, or we can have cold fusion sort of stuff to like save the energy processes so we can have our nice treats. It does not exist. It’s not feasible. It’s not something where we have to aspire to. We have to be realistic where we are now and try and build a sustainable world where we can.

Jack
Mhm.

Eddie
May mean like giving up like you know, being able to order something, getting it the next day, you know, may mean you know, not being able to like get your phone out and then have a takeaway delivered to you within 20 minutes or within an hour of the shops going through Amazon, going through delivery, going through Uber Eats, whatever the it is. You know, you have to be realistic with that. You know, Amazon being what it is and being a huge conglomerate that has, you know, covers every single field of modern human life. It’s the sort of thing like restricting your usage of it where you can. But understandably like there are practical elements to it that uh, are very difficult to get away from, you know, and stop winning the world’s most journal. That sucks as well.

Lithos
Yeah, ah, yeah, yes, I mean it is a good point. AWS is, is huge and used by so many companies to run their, their servers. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Leraje
And yeah, I mean the episode we did on privacy recently, um, you know that, that involved a large part of that involves avoiding matter, avoiding Amazon, avoiding uh, Twitter, I’m not going to call it X. It’s, it’s Twitter.

Jack
It’s Twitter.

Leraje
Yeah, yeah. Avoiding uh, Google, uh, you end up, you know, like Eddie has said there’s, there is a payoff, uh, a balance between. You lose a bit of convenience but at the end of the day you are doing your small bit to a better world and you end up a bit more private as well.

Jack
But no guys, I’ve, I’ve really enjoyed this and, and I uh, really appreciate you guys for having me on and if I could really give a message to the people out there in the European Union and beyond who are looking at America and thinking that everybody who lives in America must be co signing with this right now. Just know that that is a very select Few people out there who really think that America is doing good. A lot of Americans are pissed off. We’re annoyed we’re not being represented. We were sold a false bill of goods, and we are trying to come up with every way we can to fight this. So just know that. Give us a bit of grace. Uh, the unwashed, the flyover states, as we call them, are really responsible for this. The smart, well intentioned American, in which they are, um, are just as mad as you guys, and we are just as in disbelief as you guys when y’all see the idiotic news articles that are coming from our borders daily. So just know we’re trying over here. It may take a little bit, but we’re. We’re trying.

Lithos
Oh, man, we’re working on it here. We’re working catch up with you at the moment. It really looks like we’re working to catch up with you.

Leraje
I was gonna say give it another three or four years and we’ll be exactly where you are now, I think.

Ligeia
Oh, no.

Jack
Hell. But no, guys, I’ve had a lot of fun. Um, I. I really appreciate you guys for not only taking in a ragtag group of, of anarchists like the Free Society, but also for what you guys do, uh, giving an alternative to people in the satanic space who have left other places and found disrepair there. And I found refuge in the global order. I think you guys are doing an important mission. Uh, and kudos to you guys for what you’re doing. So appreciate that. From. From. From the southeastern corner of America. We appreciate you guys.

Ligeia
Hail to that and hell yes, everything you do.

Jack
Yes.

Ligeia
It’s awesome.

Lithos
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Hail fss. Hail Jack. Hail Sarah. Satan.

Jack
Hail Satan.

Ligeia
Hail Satan.

Lithos
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